Earlier this week I opened my email to find a new post from one of my favorite bloggers, Amy at The Finer Things in Life, celebrating her frugality as she reached 150,000 miles in her minivan. Seeing as I just celebrated this accomplishment myself, I dropped her a note of congratulations. I have corresponded with her before, receiving permission to use one of her blog posts in a newsletter I edit for my local MOMSnext group, so I really wasn't looking for anything other than letting her know a loyal reader was celebrating with her.
This morning, I opened my e-mail and again saw that I had an update from her blog - as I do most days. Every Friday, in a column she titles Weekend Wanderings, she shares links to other blogs and articles she particularly enjoyed or thinks her readers would find useful. And guess who's post was first up on her list?!
So this a big shout-out to Amy for sharing my little 'ol blog with her readers, and a HUGE welcome to you if you found me through The Finer Things in Life. I appreciate you taking time out of your lives to share a bit of mine, and for the great comments. Keep them comin'!
Saturday, January 14, 2012
Thursday, January 12, 2012
All Aboard the Child-Labor Train!
What exactly is it about kids and water?!
Cranky baby? Give 'em a bath! Need a few minutes of uninterrupted time or a way to distract a bored kid? Hand them a squirt bottle and a rag!
All three of my girls have instantly responded to water when upset or bored. I swear, I think I'm going to start giving dollar-store squirt bottles out as baby-shower presents, we've gone through so many over the years! To be honest, the allure hasn't worn off even for my oldest, at 9 1/2. She and her sisters can always come up with something to do with a squirt bottle!
And the benefits go beyond just keeping them happily entertained for a few minutes.
You know all of those finger/nose/tongue/whatever-other-sticky-body-part-last-contacted-the-glass prints on the lower parts of your windows and doors????
What to them is a game, standing and squirting away, to you is housework when you hand them a rag and tell them to wipe off the water! Does it get the glass crystal clear? No, but it does help, and let's face it, Mama. Every little bit that you don't have to do yourself is help!
Admittedly, the older girls (7 & 9) are catching on to the this-isn't-a-game-you're-tricking-me-into-working aspect of this approach. I think that's why God blessed me with another kid:
To keep the Child-Labor Train chuggin' along!
What are your favorite tips and tricks to getting the kids involved in housework?
Cranky baby? Give 'em a bath! Need a few minutes of uninterrupted time or a way to distract a bored kid? Hand them a squirt bottle and a rag!
And the benefits go beyond just keeping them happily entertained for a few minutes.
You know all of those finger/nose/tongue/whatever-other-sticky-body-part-last-contacted-the-glass prints on the lower parts of your windows and doors????
What to them is a game, standing and squirting away, to you is housework when you hand them a rag and tell them to wipe off the water! Does it get the glass crystal clear? No, but it does help, and let's face it, Mama. Every little bit that you don't have to do yourself is help!
Admittedly, the older girls (7 & 9) are catching on to the this-isn't-a-game-you're-tricking-me-into-working aspect of this approach. I think that's why God blessed me with another kid:
To keep the Child-Labor Train chuggin' along!
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| Peanut, cleaning the slider, with Moses supervising. I swear I heard him say "Yup - you missed a spot!" |
What are your favorite tips and tricks to getting the kids involved in housework?
Sunday, January 8, 2012
Going Bananas, One Word at a Time
Family meal-time is a big deal at our house. It doesn't need to be fancy; it just needs to happen - regularly and repeatedly. I won't bore you with statistics here, but suffice it to say it has been fairly firmly established that when families share meals together on a regular basis, around a table without distraction (no t.v, phones, etc), everyone is better for it.
So, my kids know when dinner is ready, they are to sit at the table. Unless I make a big, surprise announcement like, "We're having pizza and ice cream on the floor while watching a movie tonight!" (which I do sometimes, because I'm cool like that...). Lately, though, this has been a challenge for our youngest. At 27 months, she does not enjoy sitting anywhere. Ever. Period. Layer in a dose of early evening fatigue, and mix with the rumblings of a hungry two-year old tummy...let's just say not everyone is always enthused with our mealtime arrangement. And it's not always just her, but we get through it.
Like tonight.
Dinner time started with a battle: first getting her into her chair, then getting her to stop kicking and screaming and snotting long enough to attempt to take even a bite. As she's the third child and we've been to this circus many times before, we largely ignored her fit except for the occasional reminder that once she settled down we would love to help her get some food in her hungry tummy. Eventually she did, we hugged, she took a few tentative bites, and before long she was chowin' down on minestrone and garlic toast. Within minutes her fit was a distant memory, and we began our newest dinner game: One-Word Storytelling!
The gist is this: one person starts a story by saying a single word. Any word that pops into their head. The story continues one word at a time, one person at a time. If the kids were older I might put a spin on it by only giving a few seconds for the word to be chosen, or maybe adding key words that have to be used at certain times in the story - no matter how they fit (or don't), but for now we just enjoy the story as it unfolds. Even the baby gets in on it on some rounds, although it's usually some random word she throws out that just happens to work at that moment, so we go with it.
Without further ado, here is the result of our dinner-time creativity this evening....
I like to eat bananas, and when I do I get crazy! My sister thinks they are gross. She likes grapes. I wish she were a monkey. I know how funny it gets around banana and grape shelves when my sister and I jump on carts like crazy monkeys! The manager thinks it's funny, but not right, so we get in trouble - but today we didn't because we were the only monkeys there. My mom left us to fling ourselves off posts to get into the mode for swinging in gymnastics. We were going, so I got a banana and loved pickles.
That random "pickle" bit was Mr. Four Walls, by the way. Figures. He had to put his goofball spin on our Manor House moment. Makes it even more of a Manor House moment, I suppose. And I"m not even going to begin to try to figure out what it says about me that "Mom" leaves her kids alone in grocery stores to fling themsleves around as a warm-up for gymnastics.....
It probably says I've gone bananas, one word at a time.
What are your favorite dinner-time activities? How do you handle the dinner time melt-downs, toddler or otherwise?
So, my kids know when dinner is ready, they are to sit at the table. Unless I make a big, surprise announcement like, "We're having pizza and ice cream on the floor while watching a movie tonight!" (which I do sometimes, because I'm cool like that...). Lately, though, this has been a challenge for our youngest. At 27 months, she does not enjoy sitting anywhere. Ever. Period. Layer in a dose of early evening fatigue, and mix with the rumblings of a hungry two-year old tummy...let's just say not everyone is always enthused with our mealtime arrangement. And it's not always just her, but we get through it.
Like tonight.
Dinner time started with a battle: first getting her into her chair, then getting her to stop kicking and screaming and snotting long enough to attempt to take even a bite. As she's the third child and we've been to this circus many times before, we largely ignored her fit except for the occasional reminder that once she settled down we would love to help her get some food in her hungry tummy. Eventually she did, we hugged, she took a few tentative bites, and before long she was chowin' down on minestrone and garlic toast. Within minutes her fit was a distant memory, and we began our newest dinner game: One-Word Storytelling!
The gist is this: one person starts a story by saying a single word. Any word that pops into their head. The story continues one word at a time, one person at a time. If the kids were older I might put a spin on it by only giving a few seconds for the word to be chosen, or maybe adding key words that have to be used at certain times in the story - no matter how they fit (or don't), but for now we just enjoy the story as it unfolds. Even the baby gets in on it on some rounds, although it's usually some random word she throws out that just happens to work at that moment, so we go with it.
Without further ado, here is the result of our dinner-time creativity this evening....
I like to eat bananas, and when I do I get crazy! My sister thinks they are gross. She likes grapes. I wish she were a monkey. I know how funny it gets around banana and grape shelves when my sister and I jump on carts like crazy monkeys! The manager thinks it's funny, but not right, so we get in trouble - but today we didn't because we were the only monkeys there. My mom left us to fling ourselves off posts to get into the mode for swinging in gymnastics. We were going, so I got a banana and loved pickles.
That random "pickle" bit was Mr. Four Walls, by the way. Figures. He had to put his goofball spin on our Manor House moment. Makes it even more of a Manor House moment, I suppose. And I"m not even going to begin to try to figure out what it says about me that "Mom" leaves her kids alone in grocery stores to fling themsleves around as a warm-up for gymnastics.....
It probably says I've gone bananas, one word at a time.
What are your favorite dinner-time activities? How do you handle the dinner time melt-downs, toddler or otherwise?
Friday, January 6, 2012
Manor House Perfection
Every once in a while I come across a home, in person or in a photograph, that absolutely speaks to me. I LOVE this house.
I envision stepping into a foyer simply but elegantly decorated, a blooming Amaryllis on an antique entry table. A warm fire crackles in the parlor (because this house has a parlor). The smell of bread baking wafts through every hall. From the inside looking out, the cold, wet, harsh, snowy exterior quickly becomes simply a festive and homey backdrop to the warm, joyful, inviting interior.
A family lives here.
The snow will eventually melt and reveal a wide, green lawn for games of tag and kick the can and football. Borders of flowers will bloom, carefully and loving selected and tended: tulips and daffodils in the spring, giving way to cosmos and daisies for the summer heat, that soon make room for delphiniums and mums to linger into fall. The maple and alder leaves will put on a fiery show, and a grand holiday meal will be meticulously prepared come November. A passerby will hear laughter and shouts as the clan gathers around to watch the Cowboys and Lions. Snow will again fall. Wreaths and garlands and trees will be placed. Decorations will be dragged from the dormered attic, and children and parents will giggle at forgotten treasures of years past now again found in dusty boxes.
Sounds perfect, right?
We can't all have this sort of perfection. I'd venture to say that no one really has this sort of perfection. Our "manor" might be anything from a 4000+ square foot McMansion, a modest ranch house, or a cramped apartment. The family might not always be able to gather for the football and the feast. There might not be enough money for the grand meals, the antiques and decor, or even the simple flowers bulbs out front.
But no matter the circumstance or the setting, time will pass and memories will be made, good or bad. So today I commit to do one thing each day to make my humble home a Manor House.
What are your favorite tips to give your house a Manor House feeling, especially when funds (or motivation or energy) are low?
"Manor House"
Photo credit: Simon Howden / FreeDigitalPhotos.net
A family lives here.
The snow will eventually melt and reveal a wide, green lawn for games of tag and kick the can and football. Borders of flowers will bloom, carefully and loving selected and tended: tulips and daffodils in the spring, giving way to cosmos and daisies for the summer heat, that soon make room for delphiniums and mums to linger into fall. The maple and alder leaves will put on a fiery show, and a grand holiday meal will be meticulously prepared come November. A passerby will hear laughter and shouts as the clan gathers around to watch the Cowboys and Lions. Snow will again fall. Wreaths and garlands and trees will be placed. Decorations will be dragged from the dormered attic, and children and parents will giggle at forgotten treasures of years past now again found in dusty boxes.
Sounds perfect, right?
We can't all have this sort of perfection. I'd venture to say that no one really has this sort of perfection. Our "manor" might be anything from a 4000+ square foot McMansion, a modest ranch house, or a cramped apartment. The family might not always be able to gather for the football and the feast. There might not be enough money for the grand meals, the antiques and decor, or even the simple flowers bulbs out front.
But no matter the circumstance or the setting, time will pass and memories will be made, good or bad. So today I commit to do one thing each day to make my humble home a Manor House.
What are your favorite tips to give your house a Manor House feeling, especially when funds (or motivation or energy) are low?
Thursday, January 5, 2012
150,000 Miles!
The odometer on my van rolled past 150,000 miles yesterday. I snapped a pic with my cheap-o phone and texted it to Mr. Four Walls, but I'm having technical difficulties getting it to load to the blog, so you'll just have to take my word for it.
But, wow! How many other people do you know driving an old, 90's mini-van with 150,000 miles on it?
It's funny.
There was a time in my life, not too many years ago, when I would have told you there would be no way I would ever be driving a vehicle with that sort of mileage. I would have said that the headache and cost of maintenance on something that old and used wouldn't be worth it. That there's no way a vehicle like that would be safe enough for my family. That having a regular, predictable car payment is so much better than being nickled and dimed for ongoing maintenance on a beater.
That was then, this is now.
Now I say that I would have said all of those things out of pride. I would have said all those things because I didn't want people to see my family rolling through town in something that makes odd sounds at odd times, has one lock outside that won't work at all, and the others that only sometimes let us in on the first try. I would have said all those things because I thought it was normal and perfectly okay to live in debt, to never really own all the things we call "ours."
That was then, this is now.
Since "Goldie," as we affectionately call her, joined the family in November of 2010- already with around 140,000 miles - we have lived car payment free. We have diligently and deliberately maintained her, mostly ourselves, and spent WAY less than we would have on car payments and maintenance on a younger, hipper vehicle. And we've gotten over ourselves.
I still have pride, mind you. Now I'm proud of my old "girl" for being so steady for the family before us and now for ours. I'm proud of myself for not caring how people look at me when I try and try and try to unlock my driver's side door and then have to occasionally resort to crawling in through the back. I'm proud of Mr. Four Walls and me, how we've weathered this long road of financial uncertainty, and are coming through it stronger and more committed to making the journey ahead together, whatever it should hold.
Goldie won't live forever. I know we'd be kidding ourselves if we thought she'd be truckin' (vannin'?) along in another 150,000 (but stranger things have happened....). I'll be tickled pink if she's still going as we ring in the New Year next year. For now, though, I'll simply take her 150,000 milestone as a great reminder to be thankful for what we have, while we have it.
Thanks, Goldie!
But, wow! How many other people do you know driving an old, 90's mini-van with 150,000 miles on it?
It's funny.
There was a time in my life, not too many years ago, when I would have told you there would be no way I would ever be driving a vehicle with that sort of mileage. I would have said that the headache and cost of maintenance on something that old and used wouldn't be worth it. That there's no way a vehicle like that would be safe enough for my family. That having a regular, predictable car payment is so much better than being nickled and dimed for ongoing maintenance on a beater.
That was then, this is now.
Now I say that I would have said all of those things out of pride. I would have said all those things because I didn't want people to see my family rolling through town in something that makes odd sounds at odd times, has one lock outside that won't work at all, and the others that only sometimes let us in on the first try. I would have said all those things because I thought it was normal and perfectly okay to live in debt, to never really own all the things we call "ours."
That was then, this is now.
Since "Goldie," as we affectionately call her, joined the family in November of 2010- already with around 140,000 miles - we have lived car payment free. We have diligently and deliberately maintained her, mostly ourselves, and spent WAY less than we would have on car payments and maintenance on a younger, hipper vehicle. And we've gotten over ourselves.
I still have pride, mind you. Now I'm proud of my old "girl" for being so steady for the family before us and now for ours. I'm proud of myself for not caring how people look at me when I try and try and try to unlock my driver's side door and then have to occasionally resort to crawling in through the back. I'm proud of Mr. Four Walls and me, how we've weathered this long road of financial uncertainty, and are coming through it stronger and more committed to making the journey ahead together, whatever it should hold.
Goldie won't live forever. I know we'd be kidding ourselves if we thought she'd be truckin' (vannin'?) along in another 150,000 (but stranger things have happened....). I'll be tickled pink if she's still going as we ring in the New Year next year. For now, though, I'll simply take her 150,000 milestone as a great reminder to be thankful for what we have, while we have it.
Thanks, Goldie!
Wednesday, January 4, 2012
New Year, New Focus
I have missed my blog since the house situation was resolved. I contemplated what to do with it for quite a while before and after the foreclosure, and to be honest, after the house sale fell through I needed a break from telling that story.
Now, I've decided to tweak the focus here, and keep on bloggin'.
If you notice, I've renamed the blog "Home." Our foreclosure journey is still a key part of the blog, since it's a key part of our story, but it is no longer the focus. I've labeled the main posts from that time-frame "The Path to Now," and you can access it through the tab at the top or by clicking on the labels on the right.
The process of losing a beloved home, reassessing priorities, and reaffirming values has made me really think long and hard about what home is to me, what kind of home I want to create for our children, and what it entails to create that home.
So, that's what this blog is now about. HOME.
Posts by me, and hopefully some amazing guest writers, on all things to do with HOME: finances, family relationships, shopping, decorating, whatever! Don't worry, this will not become some perfectionist's ideal of a perfect home - because I am NOT a perfectionist's ideal of a perfect homemaker. Far from it.
Here's proof - a photo of my living room right now.
Christmas decorations still up after New Year's. Kids' toys EVERYWHERE. See those beady, glowing eyes? That's the dog sleeping on the blankets I just pulled from the dryer. On the right is a crib mattress leaned against the wall, and just out of sight along the hallway wall is a toddler bed, and various other pieces of furniture that we removed from the girls' rooms last weekend. I intentionally did not share a picture of the kitchen (yes, it's that bad at the moment!). And out of sight around the corner is our little entry way, currently overflowing with shoes, coats and goodness-knows what else the kids' (and I, ahem) have dumped there recently. So, really - NOT a perfectionist's ideal.
Just one mom's perspective on what it takes to keep our family, keep our home, moving forward - good and bad. I hope you enjoy what I share, and as always I love getting feedback, so drop me a note or leave a comment if you have something to share!
Now, I've decided to tweak the focus here, and keep on bloggin'.
If you notice, I've renamed the blog "Home." Our foreclosure journey is still a key part of the blog, since it's a key part of our story, but it is no longer the focus. I've labeled the main posts from that time-frame "The Path to Now," and you can access it through the tab at the top or by clicking on the labels on the right.
The process of losing a beloved home, reassessing priorities, and reaffirming values has made me really think long and hard about what home is to me, what kind of home I want to create for our children, and what it entails to create that home.
So, that's what this blog is now about. HOME.
Posts by me, and hopefully some amazing guest writers, on all things to do with HOME: finances, family relationships, shopping, decorating, whatever! Don't worry, this will not become some perfectionist's ideal of a perfect home - because I am NOT a perfectionist's ideal of a perfect homemaker. Far from it.
Here's proof - a photo of my living room right now.
Christmas decorations still up after New Year's. Kids' toys EVERYWHERE. See those beady, glowing eyes? That's the dog sleeping on the blankets I just pulled from the dryer. On the right is a crib mattress leaned against the wall, and just out of sight along the hallway wall is a toddler bed, and various other pieces of furniture that we removed from the girls' rooms last weekend. I intentionally did not share a picture of the kitchen (yes, it's that bad at the moment!). And out of sight around the corner is our little entry way, currently overflowing with shoes, coats and goodness-knows what else the kids' (and I, ahem) have dumped there recently. So, really - NOT a perfectionist's ideal.
Just one mom's perspective on what it takes to keep our family, keep our home, moving forward - good and bad. I hope you enjoy what I share, and as always I love getting feedback, so drop me a note or leave a comment if you have something to share!
Tuesday, January 3, 2012
New Year Update
Nearly four months have passed since the foreclosure, and life has gone on. The bank finally sold the house, closing last month for $232,300 according to county records. That is almost $20,000 less than the last offer we had ready to close, about $40,000 less than the original sale price when the house was build in 2003, and $150,500 than our purchase price in 2006. Talk about falling prices...
Mr. Four Walls has so far weathered this late fall and early winter with relatively no down time at work, save for a few hours off here and there for the holidays. That is huge for us, since the last four years around this time, we've been faced with a temporary lay-off. Some that didn’t feel so temporary.
I have started working part-time teaching gymnastics to preschoolers and lower levels, mainly to pay for our eldest’s competitive-team coaching expenses. Jellybeans's heart is gymnastics, and she has really missed it these past couple of years as we cut way back to get our financial life back on track. We let each of the older kids choose one activity to join this fall, though, and of course she went straight back to it. Literally. We expected her to need to work back into it, to regain some skills lost, but nope. Her first day they bumped her to pre-team and within a month they had invited her to the competition team. The gym has had some help-wanted signs up for a while, so I threw my name in the hat, and "Voila!" I'm a gymnastics coach. It’s a work out, I’ll tell ya’! Nothing makes you feel middle aged faster than doing repeated forward rolls, hand-stands, and cart-wheels.
The kids are growing like weeds. This school year has been a bit better for them, as they are no longer the new kids, but I also can't say it's been ideal. Jellybean in particular has still struggled to make good friends, making her involvement in positive, outside activities like gymnastics and Girl Scouts so important. Miss Florida is become really close with one neighbor girl, and seems to be thriving. Peanut is almost unrecognizable, becoming such a little kid instead of a baby. Potty-trained, sleeping on the lower bunk of the bunk beds, the works. Sniff, sniff. Not sure I'm ready for it....
I am so thankful to be home again. Granted, they've driven me batty these past few weeks on Christmas break. But that's what they do, right? It's Christmas, after all. It's back to school tomorrow, so hopefully we'll all be back in the swing of things in a few more days. With only one real income, we're not ever really sure where the money will come from for the next month, but so far we've made it work, only by the grace of God I'm sure.
Life has come full circle. It's not all wine and roses, to be sure, but we are blessed, healthy, and happy - just like we were this time last year, but with a bit more perspective and experience to recognize it.
Happy New Year!
Mr. Four Walls has so far weathered this late fall and early winter with relatively no down time at work, save for a few hours off here and there for the holidays. That is huge for us, since the last four years around this time, we've been faced with a temporary lay-off. Some that didn’t feel so temporary.
I have started working part-time teaching gymnastics to preschoolers and lower levels, mainly to pay for our eldest’s competitive-team coaching expenses. Jellybeans's heart is gymnastics, and she has really missed it these past couple of years as we cut way back to get our financial life back on track. We let each of the older kids choose one activity to join this fall, though, and of course she went straight back to it. Literally. We expected her to need to work back into it, to regain some skills lost, but nope. Her first day they bumped her to pre-team and within a month they had invited her to the competition team. The gym has had some help-wanted signs up for a while, so I threw my name in the hat, and "Voila!" I'm a gymnastics coach. It’s a work out, I’ll tell ya’! Nothing makes you feel middle aged faster than doing repeated forward rolls, hand-stands, and cart-wheels.
The kids are growing like weeds. This school year has been a bit better for them, as they are no longer the new kids, but I also can't say it's been ideal. Jellybean in particular has still struggled to make good friends, making her involvement in positive, outside activities like gymnastics and Girl Scouts so important. Miss Florida is become really close with one neighbor girl, and seems to be thriving. Peanut is almost unrecognizable, becoming such a little kid instead of a baby. Potty-trained, sleeping on the lower bunk of the bunk beds, the works. Sniff, sniff. Not sure I'm ready for it....
I am so thankful to be home again. Granted, they've driven me batty these past few weeks on Christmas break. But that's what they do, right? It's Christmas, after all. It's back to school tomorrow, so hopefully we'll all be back in the swing of things in a few more days. With only one real income, we're not ever really sure where the money will come from for the next month, but so far we've made it work, only by the grace of God I'm sure.
Life has come full circle. It's not all wine and roses, to be sure, but we are blessed, healthy, and happy - just like we were this time last year, but with a bit more perspective and experience to recognize it.
Happy New Year!
Friday, September 9, 2011
TGIF
Today the "F" stands for foreclosure. And yes, I am thanking God for it.
It's not the plan we had, but it was obviously the plan HE had. I feel horrible for all the people involved in this process with us that are now left high and dry, though. The buyers, their agent, our agent, and the loss mitigator all put a ton of time, energy and money into this deal, with nothing to show. But again, God's plan, not ours.
Ultimately, Mr. Four Walls and I have accepted that this is likely the better ending for us. The wording of the short-sale acceptance was so vague, we would have spent the next 6 years (the statute of limitations on collecting on a default here in our state) looking over our shoulders, waiting, wondering if the bank was going to come calling, wanting more money. This path, foreclosure, saves us from that and while I didn't expect to feel this way, I'm relieved - almost celebratory for our own personal situation (but again, NOT for those of everyone else, especially the hard working Realtors that fought so hard for this to go through).
It's over. Yes, we will have a foreclosure on our credit history, and that will likely cause a few more bumps in the road for the next 7 years or so. Overall, though, it's over. The question has been answered and we can move on with our lives.
So, TGIF.
It's not the plan we had, but it was obviously the plan HE had. I feel horrible for all the people involved in this process with us that are now left high and dry, though. The buyers, their agent, our agent, and the loss mitigator all put a ton of time, energy and money into this deal, with nothing to show. But again, God's plan, not ours.
Ultimately, Mr. Four Walls and I have accepted that this is likely the better ending for us. The wording of the short-sale acceptance was so vague, we would have spent the next 6 years (the statute of limitations on collecting on a default here in our state) looking over our shoulders, waiting, wondering if the bank was going to come calling, wanting more money. This path, foreclosure, saves us from that and while I didn't expect to feel this way, I'm relieved - almost celebratory for our own personal situation (but again, NOT for those of everyone else, especially the hard working Realtors that fought so hard for this to go through).
It's over. Yes, we will have a foreclosure on our credit history, and that will likely cause a few more bumps in the road for the next 7 years or so. Overall, though, it's over. The question has been answered and we can move on with our lives.
So, TGIF.
Thursday, September 8, 2011
The End is Near, Part 4
And ANOTHER update:
No signing today, or ever. Just received a call from escrow that our bank is refusing to sign one measly piece of paper in a timely manner, and without it, we can't close. Again, they also refused to delay the foreclosure tomorrow, so it looks like it's done. The "F" word officially wins the race.
The end is no longer near, it is here.
No signing today, or ever. Just received a call from escrow that our bank is refusing to sign one measly piece of paper in a timely manner, and without it, we can't close. Again, they also refused to delay the foreclosure tomorrow, so it looks like it's done. The "F" word officially wins the race.
The end is no longer near, it is here.
The End is Near, Part 3
Another update: we will be signing at escrow at 2 p.m. today, so if all goes smoothly this will end in the short-sale and not a foreclosure.
The End is Near, Part 2
I intended to have this as a running, day(or-every-other-day-)-by-day run down of the last few weeks in our race to the finish line on the short-sale, but life intervened. In a good way, but so much that taking time to blog about something that has already eaten up so much of my time and energy just wasn't at the top of my to-do list. So, without further do (and minus the day-by-day) here's a run-down of where we're at.
The short-sale still has not closed. Once everything on our end was handled, we expected to be able to close early last week. However, there were some roadblocks on the buyers end and now we're coming down to the wire. The foreclosure auction is tomorrow morning, September 9th. Yesterday the bank rejected our request for a one-day extension.
Today is the THE day. At this point, if we can close in the next 3-4 hours, the sale can get recorded at the county and be taken off the auction list for tomorrow. At last update, they buyers should be called to schedule their signing "soon." Escrow has not contacted us, however, and time is ticking. It takes us about an hour to drive to the escrow office. I've made arrangements for a friends to get the older girls after school if I I am still battling my way home, but if it is the case that I'm signing that late, there will only be a slim chance that the sale will actually record today.
So, we're back to Purgatory (link to a previous post), but just like then I'm doing my best to remember that my life is good - wonderful in fact. Mr. Four Walls is working steadily, the kids are thriving, I'm home everyday doing what I love most, and we're all safe, healthy, and loved. This foreclosure, if it does indeed end up there, cannot and will not take all that away.
My motto this week has been "God is in control." Everytime I feel like I'm going to lose it, or I get sad, or angry, or frustrated at all that has gone on, I say it to myself. I post it on Facebook. I yell it out.
Because at this point, it's all I can do. Really, it's all we can ever do, regardless of the situation.
So, God is in control, and we will know the ending to this not-so-fairy-tale very shortly.
The short-sale still has not closed. Once everything on our end was handled, we expected to be able to close early last week. However, there were some roadblocks on the buyers end and now we're coming down to the wire. The foreclosure auction is tomorrow morning, September 9th. Yesterday the bank rejected our request for a one-day extension.
Today is the THE day. At this point, if we can close in the next 3-4 hours, the sale can get recorded at the county and be taken off the auction list for tomorrow. At last update, they buyers should be called to schedule their signing "soon." Escrow has not contacted us, however, and time is ticking. It takes us about an hour to drive to the escrow office. I've made arrangements for a friends to get the older girls after school if I I am still battling my way home, but if it is the case that I'm signing that late, there will only be a slim chance that the sale will actually record today.
So, we're back to Purgatory (link to a previous post), but just like then I'm doing my best to remember that my life is good - wonderful in fact. Mr. Four Walls is working steadily, the kids are thriving, I'm home everyday doing what I love most, and we're all safe, healthy, and loved. This foreclosure, if it does indeed end up there, cannot and will not take all that away.
My motto this week has been "God is in control." Everytime I feel like I'm going to lose it, or I get sad, or angry, or frustrated at all that has gone on, I say it to myself. I post it on Facebook. I yell it out.
Because at this point, it's all I can do. Really, it's all we can ever do, regardless of the situation.
So, God is in control, and we will know the ending to this not-so-fairy-tale very shortly.
Tuesday, August 16, 2011
The End is Near, Part 1
The past 10 days have been a roller-coaster with the house. Over the next several posts, that I'm naming The End is Near, I'll give a run-down of the events leading up today, and continue beyond until the end-date of September 9th.
Friday, August 5th:
I received an e-mail from the loss mitigator that an attorney in the firm thinks we should request mediation through the state's new mediation program
The mediation program went into effect the week previously. In a nutshell it means that homeowners in our state facing foreclosure have the right to mediation through the Department of Commerce to ensure that all parties are acting in good faith and treated fairly. This will hopefully reduce the number of homes that are seized in foreclosure by giving distressed homeowners a fair opportunity to negotiate alternatives such as loan modifications, short-sales, etc.
It's not free, but fairly inexpensive at $200 for each the homeowner and the bank, plus any attorney's costs if a homeowner chooses to be represented. Homeowners cannot request mediation directly; they must be referred to the program by an attorney or housing counselor based on specific criteria, but once referred, the foreclosure process has to stop until the mediation process is completed.
The bank is required to have a decision-maker at the mediation meeting in person or on the phone, so the biggest positive is that it will greatly reduce the run-around for homeowners that enter the process. If no agreement is reached, once the mediator has entered their report, the foreclosure can again be scheduled for 90 days.
If either party is found not to be negotiating in good faith, then the mediator will compile a report on that fact, but they cannot stop the foreclosure. It would be grounds for the other party to sue, however, and in some instances the bad-faith efforts could be reported to the state Attorney General to aid them in cracking down on fraudulent/illegal foreclosure-practices.
We contemplated long and hard (well, as long as we could, given the time-crunch) on if we should request mediation. The positive of forcing the bank to have a decision-maker readily available on the spot was very appealing, since they seem to take the cake on giving people the run-around. However, there were no guarantees that we would come to an agreement, and I strongly doubted that they would negotiate in good faith given the events of the last year.
We also felt that we would need to hire an attorney to represent us, taking it from a $200 deal to a couple grand, or more if the outcome warranted further legal action. At best we'd come away with an agreement allowing us to sell the house, but the buyers had been getting really anxious and were not giving us the impression they'd stick around through the process. More than likely, we'd commit the time, money, and energy just to be right back on the foreclosure track, only dragging it out by another four months or more.
Thursday, August 11th:
We declined the referral to the mediation program.
That same morning, we found out it was all moot, since we didn't qualify for the process anyway. Only homeowners living in the property in question are eligible, and since we moved out in January of this year we would have been rejected by the program.
About 10 minutes later, we received an e-mail from the loss mitigator that for the first time ever, the bank had called her! She has spent so many hours each week over the past year calling them, sitting in Muzak Hell, and getting the run-around on our behalf. Never had they called her. She knew right away something was up since they initiated contact by more than a general e-mail asking her to call customer service.
So, what brought the bank out of their shelter to initiate contact?
The wanted to let her, and us, know that they had approved the short sale! They needed to confirm her e-mail address so that they could send over the approval letter. We waited with baited breath, since an approval didn't mean no-strings-attached.
Mid-day, the loss mitigator called me to let me know she'd sent me the letter for review. As we read it over together on the phone, she indicated that it was unlike any approval letter she'd ever seen and she needed an attorney to go over it before talking with me anymore. It was clear that they were not requiring us to sign a promissory note for the deficiency, as we were told to expect based on the bank's previous approvals her firm had received for other clients. What was not clear was if they were forgiving the balance.
Late that afternoon, she contacted me again and let me know that in the end, she had every single attorney in the firm look at the letter, and they were split 50-50 on whether or not the approval released us from liability on the deficiency balance.
She attempted to discuss the ambiguous wording with the bank, but of course there was no one she could speak with that could help with giving more information or re-writing the letter. She also attempted to call Fannie Mae directly, but it was after hours there and would have to wait until the morning. She requested that I also try to contact them (Fannie) and see what information I could gather.
Friday, August 12th:
I spoke with a Fannie Mae representative directly early in the morning. He wouldn't speak to the specifics of our approval letter, only saying that it is always Fannie Mae's intention to leave the door open to seeking the deficiency within the laws of the state in which the property sits. He wouldn't or couldn't say what their plans are in our case.
I communicated this information to the loss mitigator and our realtor, and let them know we did not feel comfortable signing the letter as written. The state laws here mean that if the bank takes the house in a non-judicial foreclosure - which is the process they are using - they cannot seek a deficiency judgement except in cases of fraud. We've been nothing but open and honest, so we had nothing to worry about there.
Even so, we were deflated. We'd fought so long and hard to avoid a foreclosure, but here we were, having to decide between foreclosure or taking a deal the "might" open the doors to them suing us for the deficiency, an amount that they are saying is currently topping $160,000. That total is so inflated by their delays and stalling tactics it isn't funny, but even a more reasonable estimate of $140,000 (did I just call that reasonable????) would mean bankruptcy for us, dragging the turmoil of the past few years out well beyond another decade.
I let everyone know that was not an option for us.
Then....the loss mitigator, our realtor, and some of the attorneys at the loss mitigation firm came to us with some facts about the likelihood of Fannie Mae seeking the deficiency. First, in all the years this firm has practiced in our state- doing much more than loss mitigation, and very reputably - they have never seen Fannie Mae seek a deficiency judgement in our state. The laws here would make it an uphill battle for them, and they have chosen not to fight it, historically.
Additionally, the exact wording in the approval letter has legal precedence to indicate forgiveness of a debt. The term they used was "Discharge" - they even put it in bold type-face in the letter - and it is most commonly used in bankruptcy proceedings to indicate a debt has been resolved and nothing further is owing. Again, with the wording as it was, we were advised that it would be an uphill battle for them to get a judgement. If they chose to seek the judgement, state law gives them six years from the date of the short-sale to do so.
This left us with a really difficult decision: wave the white flag of surrender and take the foreclosure hit, or plow ahead with the short-sale, taking the risk that we might have to fight in the future against a judgement.
We asked for the weekend to decide.
Friday, August 5th:
I received an e-mail from the loss mitigator that an attorney in the firm thinks we should request mediation through the state's new mediation program
The mediation program went into effect the week previously. In a nutshell it means that homeowners in our state facing foreclosure have the right to mediation through the Department of Commerce to ensure that all parties are acting in good faith and treated fairly. This will hopefully reduce the number of homes that are seized in foreclosure by giving distressed homeowners a fair opportunity to negotiate alternatives such as loan modifications, short-sales, etc.
It's not free, but fairly inexpensive at $200 for each the homeowner and the bank, plus any attorney's costs if a homeowner chooses to be represented. Homeowners cannot request mediation directly; they must be referred to the program by an attorney or housing counselor based on specific criteria, but once referred, the foreclosure process has to stop until the mediation process is completed.
The bank is required to have a decision-maker at the mediation meeting in person or on the phone, so the biggest positive is that it will greatly reduce the run-around for homeowners that enter the process. If no agreement is reached, once the mediator has entered their report, the foreclosure can again be scheduled for 90 days.
If either party is found not to be negotiating in good faith, then the mediator will compile a report on that fact, but they cannot stop the foreclosure. It would be grounds for the other party to sue, however, and in some instances the bad-faith efforts could be reported to the state Attorney General to aid them in cracking down on fraudulent/illegal foreclosure-practices.
We contemplated long and hard (well, as long as we could, given the time-crunch) on if we should request mediation. The positive of forcing the bank to have a decision-maker readily available on the spot was very appealing, since they seem to take the cake on giving people the run-around. However, there were no guarantees that we would come to an agreement, and I strongly doubted that they would negotiate in good faith given the events of the last year.
We also felt that we would need to hire an attorney to represent us, taking it from a $200 deal to a couple grand, or more if the outcome warranted further legal action. At best we'd come away with an agreement allowing us to sell the house, but the buyers had been getting really anxious and were not giving us the impression they'd stick around through the process. More than likely, we'd commit the time, money, and energy just to be right back on the foreclosure track, only dragging it out by another four months or more.
Thursday, August 11th:
We declined the referral to the mediation program.
That same morning, we found out it was all moot, since we didn't qualify for the process anyway. Only homeowners living in the property in question are eligible, and since we moved out in January of this year we would have been rejected by the program.
About 10 minutes later, we received an e-mail from the loss mitigator that for the first time ever, the bank had called her! She has spent so many hours each week over the past year calling them, sitting in Muzak Hell, and getting the run-around on our behalf. Never had they called her. She knew right away something was up since they initiated contact by more than a general e-mail asking her to call customer service.
So, what brought the bank out of their shelter to initiate contact?
The wanted to let her, and us, know that they had approved the short sale! They needed to confirm her e-mail address so that they could send over the approval letter. We waited with baited breath, since an approval didn't mean no-strings-attached.
Mid-day, the loss mitigator called me to let me know she'd sent me the letter for review. As we read it over together on the phone, she indicated that it was unlike any approval letter she'd ever seen and she needed an attorney to go over it before talking with me anymore. It was clear that they were not requiring us to sign a promissory note for the deficiency, as we were told to expect based on the bank's previous approvals her firm had received for other clients. What was not clear was if they were forgiving the balance.
Late that afternoon, she contacted me again and let me know that in the end, she had every single attorney in the firm look at the letter, and they were split 50-50 on whether or not the approval released us from liability on the deficiency balance.
She attempted to discuss the ambiguous wording with the bank, but of course there was no one she could speak with that could help with giving more information or re-writing the letter. She also attempted to call Fannie Mae directly, but it was after hours there and would have to wait until the morning. She requested that I also try to contact them (Fannie) and see what information I could gather.
Friday, August 12th:
I spoke with a Fannie Mae representative directly early in the morning. He wouldn't speak to the specifics of our approval letter, only saying that it is always Fannie Mae's intention to leave the door open to seeking the deficiency within the laws of the state in which the property sits. He wouldn't or couldn't say what their plans are in our case.
I communicated this information to the loss mitigator and our realtor, and let them know we did not feel comfortable signing the letter as written. The state laws here mean that if the bank takes the house in a non-judicial foreclosure - which is the process they are using - they cannot seek a deficiency judgement except in cases of fraud. We've been nothing but open and honest, so we had nothing to worry about there.
Even so, we were deflated. We'd fought so long and hard to avoid a foreclosure, but here we were, having to decide between foreclosure or taking a deal the "might" open the doors to them suing us for the deficiency, an amount that they are saying is currently topping $160,000. That total is so inflated by their delays and stalling tactics it isn't funny, but even a more reasonable estimate of $140,000 (did I just call that reasonable????) would mean bankruptcy for us, dragging the turmoil of the past few years out well beyond another decade.
I let everyone know that was not an option for us.
Then....the loss mitigator, our realtor, and some of the attorneys at the loss mitigation firm came to us with some facts about the likelihood of Fannie Mae seeking the deficiency. First, in all the years this firm has practiced in our state- doing much more than loss mitigation, and very reputably - they have never seen Fannie Mae seek a deficiency judgement in our state. The laws here would make it an uphill battle for them, and they have chosen not to fight it, historically.
Additionally, the exact wording in the approval letter has legal precedence to indicate forgiveness of a debt. The term they used was "Discharge" - they even put it in bold type-face in the letter - and it is most commonly used in bankruptcy proceedings to indicate a debt has been resolved and nothing further is owing. Again, with the wording as it was, we were advised that it would be an uphill battle for them to get a judgement. If they chose to seek the judgement, state law gives them six years from the date of the short-sale to do so.
This left us with a really difficult decision: wave the white flag of surrender and take the foreclosure hit, or plow ahead with the short-sale, taking the risk that we might have to fight in the future against a judgement.
We asked for the weekend to decide.
Friday, July 22, 2011
Shock of Shocks
Instead of walking today, the buyers sent us an extension through August 30th. It's still a LOOOOONG shot to get this through before the foreclosure date, but they really want this house I guess. Hoping it works out for them, but I'm not holding my breath.
The news yesterday that the bank generally will not release liability on a short sale makes it unlikely we'll be able to accept their terms (if we even get that far). A foreclosure on our record is better than a bankruptcy, which is where we'd be if they force the issue. Since we're in a non-recourse state, foreclosure is the end of the road. They cannot get anymore out of us after that point.
A few months ago I might have been willing to discuss signing a note for some of the difference, but not now. We can't take on anymore expenses (the reason we're selling in the first place). Plus, based on their horrid and unethical behavior, I won't pay them any more on principle. They've lied to us for months, and I'm more convinced after sleeping on it that it was a tactic to drive up the fees and interest so that the difference was as high as it could be.
I'm sick to my stomach just thinking about it.
The news yesterday that the bank generally will not release liability on a short sale makes it unlikely we'll be able to accept their terms (if we even get that far). A foreclosure on our record is better than a bankruptcy, which is where we'd be if they force the issue. Since we're in a non-recourse state, foreclosure is the end of the road. They cannot get anymore out of us after that point.
A few months ago I might have been willing to discuss signing a note for some of the difference, but not now. We can't take on anymore expenses (the reason we're selling in the first place). Plus, based on their horrid and unethical behavior, I won't pay them any more on principle. They've lied to us for months, and I'm more convinced after sleeping on it that it was a tactic to drive up the fees and interest so that the difference was as high as it could be.
I'm sick to my stomach just thinking about it.
Thursday, July 21, 2011
Lies, Lies, Lies
(Can you hear the Thompson Twins singing in the background? Cue it up on your MP3 player of choice - c'mon, admit it. It's on there.)
This morning Iwasted spent a little over an hour in a conference call with the bank and the loss mitigator, during which two very disturbing lies told by the bank in the past year were uncovered.
Lie: Fannie Mae approved the short-sale back in May.
Truth: Fannie Mae has not approved the short sale, and is unlikely to due to the large amount by which we're underwater on the loan.
Lie: The file was sent to Fannie Mae for review back in March.
Truth: To date, the file has never been sent to Fannie Mae for review.
So where does this leave us? With several sobering truths:
Truth: The buyer's extension on their offer expires today.
Truth: When asked earlier this week, prior to the information above coming to light, they said they'd sign a two-week extension to wait a bit longer for the supposedly forthcoming approval letter.
Truth: The bank is now demanding a minimum of a 30-day extension from them to show that they're a serious buyer (as if the past seven months of putting up with this s*!@ hasn't proven that...).
Truth: Even if the buyers agree to the 30 days, Fannie Mae will still have to review and decide if they'll take the offer or move ahead on the foreclosure.
Truth: The bank will not submit the file to Fannie Mae without the 30 day extension from the buyers.
Truth: Once (if) received, it will take Fannie Mae several weeks to review and notify the bank of their decision. We would then have wait any more additional time for the bank to notify us, in writing of the denial or acceptance, and any terms of the acceptance.
Truth: The current BPO (Broker's Price Opinion, which helps the bank and Fannie Mae determine fair market value) expires August 8th. If the approval is not received and the deal isn't closed by then, a new BPO would have to be ordered, taking another two weeks or so to work through the inept system.
Truth: The bank says they will not request a new BPO unless the buyers sign a 30-day extension AND they believe that Fannie Mae is close to issuing an approval AND they believe we will successfully close but after the August 8th expiration.
Truth: Today is July 21st.
Truth: The foreclosure date is set for September 9th.
Truth: It generally takes 30-45 days to close a sale on all the approvals, etc are settled; faster closings are possible but hard to pull off in this market of scrutiny (ironic, huh?).
Truth: The buyers are unlikely to sign a 30-day extension because they can count the dwindling days still available to make this happen, and they can read the writing on the wall.
Truth: This deal, and our attempt at avoiding a foreclosure, is all but dead and we're SOL.
Truth: I am angry, frustrated, and harboring some other serious negative emotions towards the bank right now.
Truth: GOD HAS COMPLETE CONTROL, and this - as I say in the About Me section to the right - is just a blip in the radar screen of my life. It's not life or death. My family is healthy and together with a roof over our heads, and food in our bellies. I'm blessed to be listening as I type to one child making a sandwich down the hall, another tapping her feet on the bed as she devours another book, and the third - the game changer that took us over the ledge onto this course once and for all - babbling away over the baby-monitor, fighting her afternoon nap.
The sky is not falling, the world is still turning, and in the grand scheme of things this whole ordeal has been a blessing. It's not officially over, of course, but for me it pretty much is. We're on a collision course with foreclosure, but it doesn't really matter. We'll walk away from the impact with some battle scars and a longer period of financial rehabilitation than we hoped, but we'll be okay.
(Especially after you tubing Lies here. I challenge you not to smile and dance a bit while watching the video. If only the bank's lies were so entertaining to experience.)
This morning I
Lie: Fannie Mae approved the short-sale back in May.
Truth: Fannie Mae has not approved the short sale, and is unlikely to due to the large amount by which we're underwater on the loan.
Lie: The file was sent to Fannie Mae for review back in March.
Truth: To date, the file has never been sent to Fannie Mae for review.
So where does this leave us? With several sobering truths:
Truth: The buyer's extension on their offer expires today.
Truth: When asked earlier this week, prior to the information above coming to light, they said they'd sign a two-week extension to wait a bit longer for the supposedly forthcoming approval letter.
Truth: The bank is now demanding a minimum of a 30-day extension from them to show that they're a serious buyer (as if the past seven months of putting up with this s*!@ hasn't proven that...).
Truth: Even if the buyers agree to the 30 days, Fannie Mae will still have to review and decide if they'll take the offer or move ahead on the foreclosure.
Truth: The bank will not submit the file to Fannie Mae without the 30 day extension from the buyers.
Truth: Once (if) received, it will take Fannie Mae several weeks to review and notify the bank of their decision. We would then have wait any more additional time for the bank to notify us, in writing of the denial or acceptance, and any terms of the acceptance.
Truth: The current BPO (Broker's Price Opinion, which helps the bank and Fannie Mae determine fair market value) expires August 8th. If the approval is not received and the deal isn't closed by then, a new BPO would have to be ordered, taking another two weeks or so to work through the inept system.
Truth: The bank says they will not request a new BPO unless the buyers sign a 30-day extension AND they believe that Fannie Mae is close to issuing an approval AND they believe we will successfully close but after the August 8th expiration.
Truth: Today is July 21st.
Truth: The foreclosure date is set for September 9th.
Truth: It generally takes 30-45 days to close a sale on all the approvals, etc are settled; faster closings are possible but hard to pull off in this market of scrutiny (ironic, huh?).
Truth: The buyers are unlikely to sign a 30-day extension because they can count the dwindling days still available to make this happen, and they can read the writing on the wall.
Truth: This deal, and our attempt at avoiding a foreclosure, is all but dead and we're SOL.
Truth: I am angry, frustrated, and harboring some other serious negative emotions towards the bank right now.
Truth: GOD HAS COMPLETE CONTROL, and this - as I say in the About Me section to the right - is just a blip in the radar screen of my life. It's not life or death. My family is healthy and together with a roof over our heads, and food in our bellies. I'm blessed to be listening as I type to one child making a sandwich down the hall, another tapping her feet on the bed as she devours another book, and the third - the game changer that took us over the ledge onto this course once and for all - babbling away over the baby-monitor, fighting her afternoon nap.
The sky is not falling, the world is still turning, and in the grand scheme of things this whole ordeal has been a blessing. It's not officially over, of course, but for me it pretty much is. We're on a collision course with foreclosure, but it doesn't really matter. We'll walk away from the impact with some battle scars and a longer period of financial rehabilitation than we hoped, but we'll be okay.
(Especially after you tubing Lies here. I challenge you not to smile and dance a bit while watching the video. If only the bank's lies were so entertaining to experience.)
Wednesday, July 13, 2011
More (Non) Information
I received a follow-up e-mail today regarding the cluster-*%* that has become our short-sale (see previous blog entry).
Long story short there is no new information except that the file is back with management because of the mismanagement of the negotiator, said negotiatior has been reassigned to another department because of her failure on the file, and they cannot give us a timeline for getting the approval letter. They indicate that they need to go over it with a figurative fine-tooth comb to make sure she hasn't screwed up anything else, AKA covering their baboonish behinds.
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Or as they put it, "to make certain everything is up to the quality standards the company demands." I shot soda out of my nose reading that one.
So the saga continues.
Long story short there is no new information except that the file is back with management because of the mismanagement of the negotiator, said negotiatior has been reassigned to another department because of her failure on the file, and they cannot give us a timeline for getting the approval letter. They indicate that they need to go over it with a figurative fine-tooth comb to make sure she hasn't screwed up anything else, AKA covering their baboonish behinds.
Or as they put it, "to make certain everything is up to the quality standards the company demands." I shot soda out of my nose reading that one.
So the saga continues.
Sunday, July 10, 2011
Approved...Maybe
You know, I wish just once we could get a straight answer outta these people!
The week before last as the kiddos and I took a walk around the neighborhood to burn off some of the schools-out-I'm-bored-there's-nothing-fun-to-do energy, I chatted with our real estate agent on my cell. I found out there was a late-June e-mail from our loss mitigator, a rather important e-mail, that somehow had lost its way on its journey to my inbox. According to this e-mail, Fannie Mae had approved our file for short-sale!
The kicker here is that it had actually happened back in MAY and the bank failed to notify us. Our mitigator only found out in her weekly phone call to find out status, and probably only because she spoke to someone different who (gasp) actually seemed competent to provide information.
Remember, though, that this information was only provided verbally - which means nothing in this situation - and was communicated in LATE JUNE when the acceptance had supposedly been issued in mid-May.
Furthermore, Fannie Mae's acceptance of the short-sale was contingent upon closing the deal within 45 days of their acceptance. Which we have now passed, so we're again not sure if it really is still accepted. On top of that, the fact that it was a verbal notification means that until we receive the hard-copy letter, we can do nothing. According to the person with the bank that informed our mitigator, the letter still hadn't been issued to us.
Fast forward to this week. We still have not received said letter. Again, our mitigator calls in to check on its status and is told that the file is NOT approved, and is still in review by a specialist (i.e. the step BEFORE sending the file to Fannie Mae for investor review and approval).
AHHHHHHH!
Our mitigator does have in her possession an e-mail dated sometime last month from the main negotiator at the bank indicating that our file has indeed been approved and we can close pending receipt of the approval letter. The person to whom the mitigator spoke with this week, however, said that information is incorrect but to fax her a copy of the e-mail, she'll investigate and the mitigator should follow-up next week.
So, still in limbo. I don't know about everyone else, but my back really hurts from going under this stupid stick.
The week before last as the kiddos and I took a walk around the neighborhood to burn off some of the schools-out-I'm-bored-there's-nothing-fun-to-do energy, I chatted with our real estate agent on my cell. I found out there was a late-June e-mail from our loss mitigator, a rather important e-mail, that somehow had lost its way on its journey to my inbox. According to this e-mail, Fannie Mae had approved our file for short-sale!
The kicker here is that it had actually happened back in MAY and the bank failed to notify us. Our mitigator only found out in her weekly phone call to find out status, and probably only because she spoke to someone different who (gasp) actually seemed competent to provide information.
Remember, though, that this information was only provided verbally - which means nothing in this situation - and was communicated in LATE JUNE when the acceptance had supposedly been issued in mid-May.
Furthermore, Fannie Mae's acceptance of the short-sale was contingent upon closing the deal within 45 days of their acceptance. Which we have now passed, so we're again not sure if it really is still accepted. On top of that, the fact that it was a verbal notification means that until we receive the hard-copy letter, we can do nothing. According to the person with the bank that informed our mitigator, the letter still hadn't been issued to us.
Fast forward to this week. We still have not received said letter. Again, our mitigator calls in to check on its status and is told that the file is NOT approved, and is still in review by a specialist (i.e. the step BEFORE sending the file to Fannie Mae for investor review and approval).
AHHHHHHH!
Our mitigator does have in her possession an e-mail dated sometime last month from the main negotiator at the bank indicating that our file has indeed been approved and we can close pending receipt of the approval letter. The person to whom the mitigator spoke with this week, however, said that information is incorrect but to fax her a copy of the e-mail, she'll investigate and the mitigator should follow-up next week.
So, still in limbo. I don't know about everyone else, but my back really hurts from going under this stupid stick.
Wednesday, June 22, 2011
Ch-Ch-Ch-Changes
As usual, my blogging frequency - well, sucks. The past two months have been a whirlwind, and I can hardly remember most days. Nothing spectacular, just the life of a working mom of three kiddos.
Except that I'm no longer a working mom! I took the leap and QUIT my job, giving notice in early May. My last day was last week, just in time for the kiddos to get done with school for the year (and to start arguing non-stop, but that's another post, probably for another blog). What changed to allow us to make this drastic decision?
Nothing. Nothing has changed, and that in itself was the catalyst for me staying home (for now, but more on that later). The sitter was still only committed through the end of the year, childcare was still getting more expensive by the minute (I'd be paying $2200/month right now if I were still working, and that's not even for the best places), and the most pressing of all - I truly feel called to be home with my kids. We spent the last year cutting back and digging out of debt to prepare for this choice, not knowing if we would actually make it happen, but here we are.
It's not going to be easy. The numbers don't work, but they weren't going to work paying $2200 per month, either, so we chose the lesser of two evils (broke and (relatively) quiet vs. broke and crazed). I'm investigating the process to become a licensed home-daycare provider so that I can bring in an income and still be home, but the more in depth on that I dig, the less appealing it is. However, seeing as I need an income, it's likely the best choice for us. I've also been casting a wide net for part-time evening/weekend jobs, but so far nothing has come of that.
For now, we're hunkering down. We have funds to sustain us a few months, and if push comes to shove we can live off Mr. Four Wall's income without touching the savings, but it won't be pretty. It's a giant leap of faith, and we're now in mid-air.
"But what about the house?" you're probably wondering.
Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Zero movement. Well, that's not true. We have received the Notice of Trustee's Sale, and the auction date is set for September 9th. That doesn't mean they've denied the short-sale; it just means that the foreclosure people have finally woken up and are starting that process, and it's now a race between the two departments to complete their job first. My money's on the foreclosure department, if the past year is any indication.
For the last 2 months (at least) we've been told we'll have an answer on the short-sale "this week" but we never get anything other than "it's still in review." Now they're asking yet again for all of our financial documents to be updated, which shows me they're dragging their feet and extending this as long as they can.
Not that I care anymore. We've done all that we can to work this out. Extra work, in-laws living with us, being beggars to our friends for childcare, and finally making a concerted effort to sell the house for the bank so they didn't have to go through the time and energy to foreclose.
However, in their non-answer I'm hearing their answer, and I'm moving on. I'll update the docs one more time, but if they have not come back with an acceptance by July 15th, we're told that it's unlikely our sale would close before the auction date.
So we're home and in the home-stretch, either way. While I have strong faith that God will bring us through this in all ways, I have very little faith that the house will transfer over to a happy new buyer anytime soon. I really hope Fannie Mae enjoys our great neighborhood. It's a great place to raise a family, and I'm sure it'll make her very happy.....
Except that I'm no longer a working mom! I took the leap and QUIT my job, giving notice in early May. My last day was last week, just in time for the kiddos to get done with school for the year (and to start arguing non-stop, but that's another post, probably for another blog). What changed to allow us to make this drastic decision?
Nothing. Nothing has changed, and that in itself was the catalyst for me staying home (for now, but more on that later). The sitter was still only committed through the end of the year, childcare was still getting more expensive by the minute (I'd be paying $2200/month right now if I were still working, and that's not even for the best places), and the most pressing of all - I truly feel called to be home with my kids. We spent the last year cutting back and digging out of debt to prepare for this choice, not knowing if we would actually make it happen, but here we are.
It's not going to be easy. The numbers don't work, but they weren't going to work paying $2200 per month, either, so we chose the lesser of two evils (broke and (relatively) quiet vs. broke and crazed). I'm investigating the process to become a licensed home-daycare provider so that I can bring in an income and still be home, but the more in depth on that I dig, the less appealing it is. However, seeing as I need an income, it's likely the best choice for us. I've also been casting a wide net for part-time evening/weekend jobs, but so far nothing has come of that.
For now, we're hunkering down. We have funds to sustain us a few months, and if push comes to shove we can live off Mr. Four Wall's income without touching the savings, but it won't be pretty. It's a giant leap of faith, and we're now in mid-air.
"But what about the house?" you're probably wondering.
Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Zero movement. Well, that's not true. We have received the Notice of Trustee's Sale, and the auction date is set for September 9th. That doesn't mean they've denied the short-sale; it just means that the foreclosure people have finally woken up and are starting that process, and it's now a race between the two departments to complete their job first. My money's on the foreclosure department, if the past year is any indication.
For the last 2 months (at least) we've been told we'll have an answer on the short-sale "this week" but we never get anything other than "it's still in review." Now they're asking yet again for all of our financial documents to be updated, which shows me they're dragging their feet and extending this as long as they can.
Not that I care anymore. We've done all that we can to work this out. Extra work, in-laws living with us, being beggars to our friends for childcare, and finally making a concerted effort to sell the house for the bank so they didn't have to go through the time and energy to foreclose.
However, in their non-answer I'm hearing their answer, and I'm moving on. I'll update the docs one more time, but if they have not come back with an acceptance by July 15th, we're told that it's unlikely our sale would close before the auction date.
So we're home and in the home-stretch, either way. While I have strong faith that God will bring us through this in all ways, I have very little faith that the house will transfer over to a happy new buyer anytime soon. I really hope Fannie Mae enjoys our great neighborhood. It's a great place to raise a family, and I'm sure it'll make her very happy.....
Monday, April 18, 2011
In my day, it was up hill BOTH ways!
I am so tired. Every time I get a few spare minutes and I think "I should write. I want to write," all I end up doing is going to bed or vegging on the couch. Since these moments are so rare - the ones where I can actually think a full thought without being interrupted by "Mom. Mom. Maaa-om!" - I don't really feel any guilt over not utilizing them to their fullest (or maybe am I using them to their fullest.....). But parking my butt on the couch or crawling under the covers is not very conducive to keeping this blog up to date. Sorry!
I might be more inclined to update if there was, well, an update. Not much has changed on the house. We had another BPO about a week ago. Today we were told the file is back with the specialist, and that this is a good sign that "we might just be nearing the decisioning process," according to the mitigator doing the back and forth for us. We've heard it before, so I promise you I'm not sitting here turning blue as I anxiously await their response with bated breath.
Otherwise, we are continuing to settle into the new place. Spring is refusing to make an appearance here (it snowed again this morning in the surrounding areas!!!!), but I'm forging ahead without it, planting a few small plants I picked up on a sale a couple of weeks ago. They'll probably die, but it made me feel good to get out and plant them, so if they survive it's all gravy. Yesterday, Mr. Four Walls transplanted the Hydrangeas -my absolute favorite shrub- from the old house to the new, redoing a bit of one of the front flower beds. I'm not sure how they'll fare having been unceremoniously yanked from the ground, but they're replaceable.
The girls, especially Jellybean, are having a harder time at their new school. She's being bullied. Not to the point we need to step in as parents, but just to the point that she's unsure of how to react and is not enthused about dealing with this girl. I try so hard not to helicopter-parent. Kids have to learn how to deal, you know? So often nowadays parents swoop in at the first sign of distress, and what does that really accomplish? A generation of soon-to-be-adults with zero problem-solving abilities, that's what!
(Oh goodness, I'm sounding old. Cue the granny on a rocker, telling all the young-uns how it was done in her day......)
But it's easier said than done, to let them work it out on their own, when it's your little girl crying on your lap. So I did what I do best. I found a book. It's all about bullies and how tween girls can approach the situation. She's read that thing at least twice since Saturday, and she and Miss Florida sat outside in the rare sun breaks over the weekend, reading it aloud to each other. That reminds me, I snapped a few black-mail pictures of their impromptu picnic in the driveway that I need to get uploaded to my computer, but I digress.
Then that evening, I sat down (in my rocker) and told her all about my own experiences being bullied and picked on as a kid. How we dealt with it on our own, but always knew that we had grown-ups that had our backs if we needed help or to talk. And how sometimes the bullies chased us home after school. Through the snow. Uphill. Both ways. With no shoes.
Yep, I'm becoming a geezer, and proud of it.
I might be more inclined to update if there was, well, an update. Not much has changed on the house. We had another BPO about a week ago. Today we were told the file is back with the specialist, and that this is a good sign that "we might just be nearing the decisioning process," according to the mitigator doing the back and forth for us. We've heard it before, so I promise you I'm not sitting here turning blue as I anxiously await their response with bated breath.
Otherwise, we are continuing to settle into the new place. Spring is refusing to make an appearance here (it snowed again this morning in the surrounding areas!!!!), but I'm forging ahead without it, planting a few small plants I picked up on a sale a couple of weeks ago. They'll probably die, but it made me feel good to get out and plant them, so if they survive it's all gravy. Yesterday, Mr. Four Walls transplanted the Hydrangeas -my absolute favorite shrub- from the old house to the new, redoing a bit of one of the front flower beds. I'm not sure how they'll fare having been unceremoniously yanked from the ground, but they're replaceable.
The girls, especially Jellybean, are having a harder time at their new school. She's being bullied. Not to the point we need to step in as parents, but just to the point that she's unsure of how to react and is not enthused about dealing with this girl. I try so hard not to helicopter-parent. Kids have to learn how to deal, you know? So often nowadays parents swoop in at the first sign of distress, and what does that really accomplish? A generation of soon-to-be-adults with zero problem-solving abilities, that's what!
(Oh goodness, I'm sounding old. Cue the granny on a rocker, telling all the young-uns how it was done in her day......)
But it's easier said than done, to let them work it out on their own, when it's your little girl crying on your lap. So I did what I do best. I found a book. It's all about bullies and how tween girls can approach the situation. She's read that thing at least twice since Saturday, and she and Miss Florida sat outside in the rare sun breaks over the weekend, reading it aloud to each other. That reminds me, I snapped a few black-mail pictures of their impromptu picnic in the driveway that I need to get uploaded to my computer, but I digress.
Then that evening, I sat down (in my rocker) and told her all about my own experiences being bullied and picked on as a kid. How we dealt with it on our own, but always knew that we had grown-ups that had our backs if we needed help or to talk. And how sometimes the bullies chased us home after school. Through the snow. Uphill. Both ways. With no shoes.
Yep, I'm becoming a geezer, and proud of it.
Saturday, March 26, 2011
Two Steps Forward. One Step Back.
Last week we were expecting to finally have something resembling an answer from the bank. Alas, as in so many other areas of life, expectations in this process are a set-up for disappointments....
Instead of a yes, no, or even a maybe, we were told that instead of evaluating us for a short-sale they are now "required" to evaluate us for a loan modification. The same loan modification that we have been told previously that would not work in our situation. The same loan modification that the bank themselves told us they wouldn't consider us for previously.
It will take them another 30 or so days to work through that process. Once they determine that a modification will not work - and if they can do math at all they will see that it can't - then the file will go back to the decisioning process for the short-sale.
One step back.
Technically, our contract with the buyers expired this week. If they walked, as the previous buyers did, that could have been a giant step back. However, they and their agent requested to extend the closing date to on or before July 23rd! So obviously they are still hanging on. It's not a guarantee that they won't change their minds at some point, of course, but it is a positive move for now.
Two steps forward. Hopefully.
As for the rest of life in general, we're settling in to the rental fairly well. It's pretty cramped, but since it's very similar in square footage and lay-out to the first house Mr. Four Walls and I purchased - the home to which we brought newborns Jellybean and Miss Florida - it's not been too much of a challenge to cram in all five of us. There have been a few trips to Ikea, the storage Mecca, since in small spaces the only way to go is up! Wall shelving, bins, and some do-it-yourself honey-do items for Mr. Four Walls should get us out of the last few remaining boxes soon. We scored on some Ikea shelving in the as-is section for the corner of our bedroom - now referred to as The Office - and Mr. Four Walls is going to build in a customized desk top. Once it's all done I need to post some photos.
The other BIG item on the horizon is that we're coming up on the end of our arrangement with our current sitter. Childcare issues....again. The bane of my existence lately, especially since my heart isn't in it. I don't want to find childcare. I want to be home. Peanut is 18 months old today, if you can believe it. The time has gone so fast, and as I look back on the past year and a half, I remember so little of her teeny days. I can remember so much of Jellybean's and Miss Florida's, almost like it they were yesterday, but the fact of the matter is that I wasn't with Peanut much to make those kind of memories, and that breaks my heart. We're doing some serious soul-searching, budget-crunching, and God-seeking as we try to move towards a decision: find new care for the kids, or quit my job?????
If I do leave my great job - and it is a great job - I will still need to bring in an income. One big option on the table is for me to open a small in-home daycare, and I'm thoroughly researching this option. I can also flip burgers or wait tables every evening and weekend, basically putting me and Mr. Four Walls on opposite schedules. There are pros to cons to both options, so more decisions.
Big Decisions. That seems to be all that our lives are about lately, and as we make them we pray that they're the two-steps forward kind, not the one (or two, or five) step back sort.
Instead of a yes, no, or even a maybe, we were told that instead of evaluating us for a short-sale they are now "required" to evaluate us for a loan modification. The same loan modification that we have been told previously that would not work in our situation. The same loan modification that the bank themselves told us they wouldn't consider us for previously.
It will take them another 30 or so days to work through that process. Once they determine that a modification will not work - and if they can do math at all they will see that it can't - then the file will go back to the decisioning process for the short-sale.
One step back.
Technically, our contract with the buyers expired this week. If they walked, as the previous buyers did, that could have been a giant step back. However, they and their agent requested to extend the closing date to on or before July 23rd! So obviously they are still hanging on. It's not a guarantee that they won't change their minds at some point, of course, but it is a positive move for now.
Two steps forward. Hopefully.
As for the rest of life in general, we're settling in to the rental fairly well. It's pretty cramped, but since it's very similar in square footage and lay-out to the first house Mr. Four Walls and I purchased - the home to which we brought newborns Jellybean and Miss Florida - it's not been too much of a challenge to cram in all five of us. There have been a few trips to Ikea, the storage Mecca, since in small spaces the only way to go is up! Wall shelving, bins, and some do-it-yourself honey-do items for Mr. Four Walls should get us out of the last few remaining boxes soon. We scored on some Ikea shelving in the as-is section for the corner of our bedroom - now referred to as The Office - and Mr. Four Walls is going to build in a customized desk top. Once it's all done I need to post some photos.
The other BIG item on the horizon is that we're coming up on the end of our arrangement with our current sitter. Childcare issues....again. The bane of my existence lately, especially since my heart isn't in it. I don't want to find childcare. I want to be home. Peanut is 18 months old today, if you can believe it. The time has gone so fast, and as I look back on the past year and a half, I remember so little of her teeny days. I can remember so much of Jellybean's and Miss Florida's, almost like it they were yesterday, but the fact of the matter is that I wasn't with Peanut much to make those kind of memories, and that breaks my heart. We're doing some serious soul-searching, budget-crunching, and God-seeking as we try to move towards a decision: find new care for the kids, or quit my job?????
If I do leave my great job - and it is a great job - I will still need to bring in an income. One big option on the table is for me to open a small in-home daycare, and I'm thoroughly researching this option. I can also flip burgers or wait tables every evening and weekend, basically putting me and Mr. Four Walls on opposite schedules. There are pros to cons to both options, so more decisions.
Big Decisions. That seems to be all that our lives are about lately, and as we make them we pray that they're the two-steps forward kind, not the one (or two, or five) step back sort.
Friday, March 11, 2011
Completely Unrelated, But Oh So Important!
As most of you know, I am the mom to a preemie. A beautiful, strong, and very blessed preemie that now, as she nears her seventh birthday, shows no signs of the chaos and anxiety that surrounded her unexpected early birth.
You also probably know that I went on to have a full-term, perfect little girl in late 2009. What you might not know is that to do so, I received weekly hormone injections to help my body regulate and defen...d against the preterm labor that afflicted me with my second daughter (and likely with my first, although we were lucky with her and hindsight is 20-20). I certainly still dealt with the preterm labor, but thanks to these injections, my body was able to sustain the pregnancy all the way to my due date.
Now, this injection - through unneeded government regulation and corporate greed - will become unavailable to a vast majority of women who truly need it. While I know I will not need this drug again (done with babies!) my heart aches for all the other women out there with histories like mine that now have to choose between taking a gamble, paying $30,000 for a course of the drug that currently costs most women $200, or not grow their families at all.
Below are excerpts from a letter written by the doctor of a dear friend of mine on this issue. Please read it and take action on behalf of all of the preemies you know, here on earth or in heaven. If this current course is not altered, the positive outcome I and so many other moms of preemies were able to experience with our subsequent births will become all the more rare.
Thanks for all of your prayers and support through the journey that has brought Mike and me into this "club" of preemie-parents. I hope we can count on your continued support now.
Sincerely,
Nancy
"As many of you have become aware, KV Pharmaceuticals has received FDA approval
to be the exclusive distributor for P17. They are planning to charge $1500 per
injection for a total cost, per pregnancy, of $30,000!!!!
The current cost is $10 per injection, or $200 per pregnancy.
There are several points that I would like to emphasize.
The rationale for a commercial manufacturer is to ensure a standard
concentration. In theory, this can be a problem with compounding pharmacies
although the vast majority of the compounding pharmacies producing this product
that present have extremely exacting standard. The March of Dimes has,
unfortunately, bought into this rationale with absolutely no proof that a
variation in strength is of any clinical significance. By law, once a drug is
commercially available, compounding pharmacies must stop production of that
drug.
We have been using P17 for the past ten years from these compounding pharmacies
with obvious beneficial effect. So where is the rationale for this change?
March of Dimes receives several million dollars a year in support from KV
Pharmaceuticals - I wonder why! This suggests to me that March of Dimes can be
bought. I, personally, have informed the March of Dimes that I am ceasing all
support of their organization, financial and otherwise, until they divorce
themselves from KV Pharmaceuticals and support for Makena. They do not realize
that they are going to cause an increase in the preterm birth rate, not a
decrease. At best, there will be no change other that a massive over-expenditure
of health-care dollars.
You have seen the propaganda stating that no-one will be denied the medication
because of ability to pay. However, what they don't tell you is that they are
going to use very strict criteria. In essence, the only women who will qualify
is those who have had a prior preterm birth before 32 weeks secondary to preterm
labor. To illustrate this more fully, Aetna/US Health care (one of the largest
insurers in the country) covers this therapy when patients meet their strict
criteria. Currently, they are paying for P17 for only 1,000 women nationwide per
year! There are 4.2 million births in the US annually. 10 - 15%, or 420,000 to
610,000 are premature. And Aetna is only going to cover 1,000 of these women.
30% of all prenatal care is covered by Medicaid. An additional 10% is covered by
charity care. KV is going to insist that since this care is not coming out of
the patient's pocket, the cost should be borne by Medicaid and charity care.
Currently, we can provide good prenatal care for about $2,000 per pregnancy. So
for every patient placed on P17, we have to somehow find away to cover an
additional 15 pregnant patients. And who pays the medicaid and charity care bill?
We all do through higher taxes and higher healthcare premiums!
Studies show that approximately 30 women need to be treated with P17 to prevent
one preterm birth. At $200 per patient, this is very cost effective. That is an
expenditure of $6,000 to save the average of $51,000 per preterm delivery. With
current pricing, we will have to spend $9 million dollars in P17 therapy to save
$51,000. Does this make sense? And people want to know why health care costs so
much.
Most of you (greater than 90%) who will be on P17 now will be faced with doing
without or paying $1500 per injection out-of-pocket. If you are currently on
this medication, make sure that your doctors order enough for you right away to
cover the entire pregnancy. You could have as little as one week. If you are
early in pregnancy or planning a pregnancy soon, talk to your doctors about
getting this now to have on hand. Most suppliers warrant the drug to be
effective for one year.
So, what can you do?
Firstly, contact KV Pharmaceutical and voice your displeasure:
Second, notify your local media outlets about this issue.
Third, write or email your congressman and senator.
Fourth, contact the FDA and find out why they elected to give KV exclusivity for
this product. Competition will bring down the price dramatically.
Fifth, write to the president.
Sixth, contact your state Medicaid offices and your insurance carriers. Get them
involved.
Seventh, get as many of your friends, family members, co-workers, etc. as
possible to do the above.
Eighth, feel free to cut/paste/email the above to as many contacts as you can.
Let's make this issue go viral!
If we can get enough of a protest mounted, we stand a chance of averting this
"rape" of the healthcare system that is motivated almost entirely by a profit
motive. Even if KV decides to not manufacture the drug for fear of losing money,
we will be better off than with what they are currently planning.
Thank you."
You also probably know that I went on to have a full-term, perfect little girl in late 2009. What you might not know is that to do so, I received weekly hormone injections to help my body regulate and defen...d against the preterm labor that afflicted me with my second daughter (and likely with my first, although we were lucky with her and hindsight is 20-20). I certainly still dealt with the preterm labor, but thanks to these injections, my body was able to sustain the pregnancy all the way to my due date.
Now, this injection - through unneeded government regulation and corporate greed - will become unavailable to a vast majority of women who truly need it. While I know I will not need this drug again (done with babies!) my heart aches for all the other women out there with histories like mine that now have to choose between taking a gamble, paying $30,000 for a course of the drug that currently costs most women $200, or not grow their families at all.
Below are excerpts from a letter written by the doctor of a dear friend of mine on this issue. Please read it and take action on behalf of all of the preemies you know, here on earth or in heaven. If this current course is not altered, the positive outcome I and so many other moms of preemies were able to experience with our subsequent births will become all the more rare.
Thanks for all of your prayers and support through the journey that has brought Mike and me into this "club" of preemie-parents. I hope we can count on your continued support now.
Sincerely,
Nancy
"As many of you have become aware, KV Pharmaceuticals has received FDA approval
to be the exclusive distributor for P17. They are planning to charge $1500 per
injection for a total cost, per pregnancy, of $30,000!!!!
The current cost is $10 per injection, or $200 per pregnancy.
There are several points that I would like to emphasize.
The rationale for a commercial manufacturer is to ensure a standard
concentration. In theory, this can be a problem with compounding pharmacies
although the vast majority of the compounding pharmacies producing this product
that present have extremely exacting standard. The March of Dimes has,
unfortunately, bought into this rationale with absolutely no proof that a
variation in strength is of any clinical significance. By law, once a drug is
commercially available, compounding pharmacies must stop production of that
drug.
We have been using P17 for the past ten years from these compounding pharmacies
with obvious beneficial effect. So where is the rationale for this change?
March of Dimes receives several million dollars a year in support from KV
Pharmaceuticals - I wonder why! This suggests to me that March of Dimes can be
bought. I, personally, have informed the March of Dimes that I am ceasing all
support of their organization, financial and otherwise, until they divorce
themselves from KV Pharmaceuticals and support for Makena. They do not realize
that they are going to cause an increase in the preterm birth rate, not a
decrease. At best, there will be no change other that a massive over-expenditure
of health-care dollars.
You have seen the propaganda stating that no-one will be denied the medication
because of ability to pay. However, what they don't tell you is that they are
going to use very strict criteria. In essence, the only women who will qualify
is those who have had a prior preterm birth before 32 weeks secondary to preterm
labor. To illustrate this more fully, Aetna/US Health care (one of the largest
insurers in the country) covers this therapy when patients meet their strict
criteria. Currently, they are paying for P17 for only 1,000 women nationwide per
year! There are 4.2 million births in the US annually. 10 - 15%, or 420,000 to
610,000 are premature. And Aetna is only going to cover 1,000 of these women.
30% of all prenatal care is covered by Medicaid. An additional 10% is covered by
charity care. KV is going to insist that since this care is not coming out of
the patient's pocket, the cost should be borne by Medicaid and charity care.
Currently, we can provide good prenatal care for about $2,000 per pregnancy. So
for every patient placed on P17, we have to somehow find away to cover an
additional 15 pregnant patients. And who pays the medicaid and charity care bill?
We all do through higher taxes and higher healthcare premiums!
Studies show that approximately 30 women need to be treated with P17 to prevent
one preterm birth. At $200 per patient, this is very cost effective. That is an
expenditure of $6,000 to save the average of $51,000 per preterm delivery. With
current pricing, we will have to spend $9 million dollars in P17 therapy to save
$51,000. Does this make sense? And people want to know why health care costs so
much.
Most of you (greater than 90%) who will be on P17 now will be faced with doing
without or paying $1500 per injection out-of-pocket. If you are currently on
this medication, make sure that your doctors order enough for you right away to
cover the entire pregnancy. You could have as little as one week. If you are
early in pregnancy or planning a pregnancy soon, talk to your doctors about
getting this now to have on hand. Most suppliers warrant the drug to be
effective for one year.
So, what can you do?
Firstly, contact KV Pharmaceutical and voice your displeasure:
Second, notify your local media outlets about this issue.
Third, write or email your congressman and senator.
Fourth, contact the FDA and find out why they elected to give KV exclusivity for
this product. Competition will bring down the price dramatically.
Fifth, write to the president.
Sixth, contact your state Medicaid offices and your insurance carriers. Get them
involved.
Seventh, get as many of your friends, family members, co-workers, etc. as
possible to do the above.
Eighth, feel free to cut/paste/email the above to as many contacts as you can.
Let's make this issue go viral!
If we can get enough of a protest mounted, we stand a chance of averting this
"rape" of the healthcare system that is motivated almost entirely by a profit
motive. Even if KV decides to not manufacture the drug for fear of losing money,
we will be better off than with what they are currently planning.
Thank you."
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